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New unredacted information in the copyright lawsuit The New York Times brought against OpenAI and Microsoft three years ago reveals an admission that AI scraping was tantamount to theft, and that AI products pose a major threat to publications.
Per the lawsuit, a top Microsoft executive privately described the companiesβ AI training practices as βtheft,β and OpenAIβs own leadership said its AI models posed an βexistential threatβ to the publishers and journalists whose work trained them.Β
The unsealed material also details how the companies allegedly obtained and used that content by bypassing paywalls undetected, building training datasets via mass scraping, and deliberately stripping copyright notices from training data.Β
Itβs worth noting that much of the new information comes from The Timesβ own brief, not the underlying exhibits, which remain sealed. The quotes below are presented without their original context.
The unredacted filing is the latest escalation in the three-year-old lawsuit, in which The New York Times initially alleged the firms violated copyright law by training generative AI models on its content.Β
The question of whether AI firms can legally use copyrighted material to train AI has no clear answer, but judges have been largely favorable to AI companiesβ arguments that training constitutes βfair use.β This legal rule lets people use copyrighted work without permission in certain cases, like parody, news reporting, or criticism. Earlier this month, the Trump administration contributed a brief in defense of OpenAIβs unlicensed use of copyrighted material to train its LLMs.Β
Several of the new admissions, however, run counter to OpenAIβs fair use defense, particularly the ruleβs requirement that use doesnβt substitute or harm the market for the original work.
For example, Microsoftβs own data shows its Copilot βanswer engineβ caused click-through rates for The New York Timesβ domain to drop as much as 93% compared to traditional Bing search. An internal Microsoft presentation written by Microsoftβs director of Applied Science, Brent Hecht, in January 2024 describes the decline as a βdoom loopβ that would βhurt the performance of our models and the entire web at the same time.β
βIt is highly unusual that an end-product threatens the economic foundations of its essential suppliers, but that is the situation we have created for our LLM business with respect to its βcontent supply chain,ββ reads the Microsoft document, as quoted in the filing.Β
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella also testified in a deposition earlier this year that βanything that is paywalled should be licensed by anyone who wants to use itβ¦for grounding or training,β and made clear that, if he βhad been made aware that OpenAI had scraped and trained on information that was behind a paywall,β he would have βinvoked [Microsoftβs right to] require OpenAI to retrain its models.βΒ
Other admissions cut against different pillars of the fair-use test: OpenAIβs head of ChatGPT, Nick Turley, wrote in internal communication that publishers face an βexistential threatβ from products like the chatbot, which are βlargely substitutiveβ and βwill get more and more substitutive as they get better.β
OpenAI President Greg Brockman described the models as βexcellent at news.β Nadella agreed under oath earlier this year that conversing with chatbots βhas substituted β¦ giving you the information right there on the website on the AI platform versus needing to go to the underlying source.β
That kind of language speaks to how the technology could directly compete with, rather than transform, the original work.Β
A Microsoft document states that there is a βreal riskβ that generative AI could βsignificantly disrupt the employment of the very people who generated the data on which the foundation model was trained.βΒ
The sheer scale of the copying is striking. The documents reveal for the first time that OpenAIβs mid-training datasets alone contain more than 91,692 copies of works published by the NYT, Daily News, and Center for Investigative Reporting. A Common Crawl-derived dataset included more than 2 million documents from nytimes.com alone.Β
In a January 2023 internal memo, Hecht called it βan astonishing theft of unprecedented proportionsβ and βthe largest theft of labor in human history.β
The filing lays out in new detail how OpenAI and Microsoft went about acquiring the plaintiffsβ content, including scraping it from the Bing Index.Β
βOpenAI delivered the entire GPT-3 training dataset to Microsoft, which Microsoft used to evaluate how to implement OpenAIβs models within its own commercial products,β the filing reads. βMicrosoft similarly provided training data to OpenAI through initiatives called Project Taxi and Project Mango.β
The companies allegedly assembled the Project Mango data into a training dataset that contains copies of at least 160,903 unique works from the news publishers.Β
In order to get the most out of their scraping, OpenAI employees allegedly came up with a plan to circumvent paywalls without detection. The filings show that when OpenAI researcher Nick Ryder told Brockman about a βhack to get around nytimes paywall,β Brockman replied: βah nice.βΒ
OpenAI employees also allegedly built training datasets like WebText and WebText2 that disproportionately relied on scraped news content. They also allegedly pulled millions of articles from Common Crawl, a free, open repository of web crawl data. The findings also describe deliberate efforts to strip copyright notices from training data before it reached the model, since researchers βwouldnβt want model outputtingβ βcopyright noticesβ to users.
βThe evidence revealed here for the first time shows that OpenAI and Microsoft knew that what they were doing was wrong,β Steven Lieberman, counsel for the New York Daily News, said in a statement shared with TechCrunch.
OpenAI and Microsoft did not return requests for comment.
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